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Post by wayne77 on Mar 10, 2016 8:13:10 GMT
Being the biggest Beatles fan ever I'll keep quite. But Sir George IMO was massively important to the beatles and I don't think they would have got the success without his encouragement and ideas.
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Post by Moz on Mar 10, 2016 12:04:54 GMT
quite what? Or do you mean quiet?
I understand how important Mr Martin was to the Beatles. And his pursuit of modern technologies to produce the sounds that were made is interesting....
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Post by Raffles on Mar 10, 2016 13:42:02 GMT
I'm probably not the best person to comment, in all honesty. I am mystified by the popularity of the Beatles.... !!!!!!!
How can you say that? OK, some of their tracks have become almost unlistenable dirges through overexposure (especially "Hey f*cking Jude" and "Let It bloody well Be") and you might not really like them personally but the breadth, originality and influence of their work (especially for it's time) is extraordinary by any standard.
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Post by Moz on Mar 10, 2016 13:47:11 GMT
I realise its just me. And i understand the influence they have on a multitude of peoples. I get all that. ITs just.....ive listened to a lot of beatles (i worked in a second hand record exchange). And.....im just a little bored by it all. IT does nothing for me.
Sorry.
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Post by Raffles on Mar 10, 2016 14:01:33 GMT
I can understand why you'd get bored of some tracks due to overexposure (hence my bracketed comment) but surely you can understand why most normal people (ie; the sort who don't work in record stores) do quite like them?
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Post by Moz on Mar 10, 2016 14:40:04 GMT
I can understand why you'd get bored of some tracks due to overexposure (hence my bracketed comment) but surely you can understand why most normal people (ie; the sort who don't work in record stores) do quite like them? er......not really, no. Its not even the overexposed stuff which does nothing to me (and if anything, as you rightly point out, that stuff is ever so slightly annoying due to having to hear it all the fucking time), its also album tracks. It yr norwegian woods or yr lovely rita's. I....just dont get the fascination. I understand the Stones or the Kinks or even Manfred Mann. It doesnt......do anything for me. Again, though, its just me. That is fine. No biggie. (BTW, i like the idea that people who have worked in record shops arn't normal people.)
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Post by Raffles on Mar 10, 2016 14:55:42 GMT
Never really got the Stones. Vastly overrated genic R&R
he-he-he
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Post by ethereal on Mar 10, 2016 14:59:34 GMT
I realise its just me. And i understand the influence they have on a multitude of peoples. I get all that. ITs just.....ive listened to a lot of beatles (i worked in a second hand record exchange). And.....im just a little bored by it all. IT does nothing for me. Sorry. It's not just you.
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Post by wayne77 on Mar 10, 2016 16:52:27 GMT
I love the stones too!! lol
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Post by born in the fifties on Mar 10, 2016 17:57:19 GMT
So The Beatles songs we don't seem to like, or find irritating, I think were all written by one P. McCartney. I'll go along with Nik Cohn from way back in 1969 in his wonderful AWopBopaLooBop ALopBamBoom : "My own feeling is that Lennon has heavy talent and that McCartney really hasn't. He's melodic, pleasant, inventive but he's too much syrup". Actually I'd also say that anyone who can choose from the entire Beatles catalogue for their London 2012 performance and then pick Ob-la-di Ob-la-da is obviously a bit of an a***hole.
And while I'm here, just to say I've noted that Raffles clearly needs to undergo a re-training program re. the former 'greatest rock and roll band in the world'.
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Post by kerry1 on Mar 10, 2016 20:07:27 GMT
People, people, what are you doing? I leave you alone for five minutes and you start squabbling about whether bananas are better than apricots or apples.
The Beatles had something for anyone who wanted - immensely sing-able pop, accessible marginally deeper/more trippy stuff and a bust-up to keep their fans on the hop for eternity.
As for the Stones, as previously recorded, I saw them in the 80s and they were the most fun, the most energetic, the best performance. Moves Like Jagger was written for a reason (see also Springsteen in his heyday), whether you like any of them or not. You boys don't get to be the only ones with hormones, you know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 1:29:19 GMT
Macca has written more great songs than the entire Latitude line-up combined. I'll be on my death bed before The National write a song as ubiquitous as Hey Jude.
The National don't write songs for friends and their children. They take the piss out of their little brothers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 2:09:18 GMT
People, people, what are you doing? I leave you alone for five minutes and you start squabbling about whether bananas are better than apricots or apples. The Beatles had something for anyone who wanted - immensely sing-able pop, accessible marginally deeper/more trippy stuff and a bust-up to keep their fans on the hop for eternity. As for the Stones, as previously recorded, I saw them in the 80s and they were the most fun, the most energetic, the best performance. Moves Like Jagger was written for a reason (see also Springsteen in his heyday), whether you like any of them or not. You boys don't get to be the only ones with hormones, you know. Moves Like Jagger should be evidence for the prosecution not the defence. Case dismissed!!!
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Post by riverlodge on Mar 11, 2016 8:46:30 GMT
is it okay to say I don't like either the Beatles or the Stones. or the Who actually, while we are about it. god i feel better for that. and isn't subjectivity nice
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 16:51:12 GMT
So much sadness recently but as a DJ from Bristol I'd like to commemorate the legendary DJ Derek.
At least he can rest now and his family can get closure but such sad news.
RIP DJ Derek.
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Post by wayne77 on Mar 14, 2016 15:20:49 GMT
I love the who too!!
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Post by fiveuke on Mar 14, 2016 16:43:25 GMT
People who dismiss The Beatles, Stones, Zep, Floyd, Who etc... etc... generally then reveal that what they actually think is excellent is Ash or Blur or The 1975 or Doves or somesuch - without a trace of irony. If you claim to not like the pillars of modern commercial rock and pop, then AT LEAST reveal yorself as a lutist or madrigal historian.
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Post by Raffles on Mar 14, 2016 17:02:27 GMT
People who dismiss The Beatles, Stones, Zep, Floyd, Who etc... etc... generally then reveal that what they actually think is excellent is Ash or Blur or The 1975 or Doves or somesuch - without a trace of irony. If you claim to not like the pillars of modern commercial rock and pop, then AT LEAST reveal yorself as a lutist or madrigal historian. Am I allowed to still not like Elvis then?
oil git me lute....
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Post by born in the fifties on Mar 14, 2016 18:26:52 GMT
Am I allowed to still not like Elvis then?
Depends on whether we're talking pre or post call-up.
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Post by Raffles on Mar 14, 2016 19:11:02 GMT
Good point!
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Post by Moz on Mar 14, 2016 21:58:33 GMT
Whilst I understand the significance of Elvis bringing the black man's music to white people, I never liked his work. Keith Emerson died. A troubled soul. Quite sad.
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Post by Raffles on Mar 14, 2016 22:10:01 GMT
Personally, I think my hatred of Elvis music stems from the fact that the only non classical gramophone records my parents had when I was a kid where Elvis soundtrack albums like GI Blues and Blue Hawaii which were, by any standards, awful. I am sure if I had been brought up on original Sun Records sessions I would have had a different view.
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Post by mrsimonw on Mar 15, 2016 8:43:14 GMT
I love Elvis. Always happy to listen to "As Recorded at Madison Square Garden".
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Post by riverlodge on Mar 15, 2016 10:34:23 GMT
Isn't there a fundamental difference between "can understand the importance of and critically appreciate" and "like"?
I'd never say that any of the classic heritage bands are 'bad', but I don't have to like them. And if you had anything of a proper youth, there was certainly a stage where everything the previous generation liked had to be deemed sh1t (except Pink Floyd and Led Zep). then you grew up a bit more.
finally, fiveuke is a very naughty boy and should be forced to watch The 1975. on repeat.
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Post by Raffles on Mar 15, 2016 11:03:09 GMT
Agreed, RL. This all started with Moz's assertion that he was "mystified by the popularity of the Beatles".
Moz has every right not to like the Beatles. But to not understand why other people like such a influential and important band is, in itself, mystifying.
Maybe he should also be made to listen to the 1975 (who I think we can all agree on!)
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