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Post by Moz on Mar 15, 2016 11:16:30 GMT
But....i DO find their reverence mystifying! I dont like them. I cant get my head round their significance in british music. ITs all.......well....mystifying!
But, i did state later on that i understand its just me (and Ethereal too.) And its no biggie. No harm no fowl.
BUT.....i will NOT be made to listen to the 1975. Ive heard better things escaping my body and hitting the water in a toilet bowl.
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Post by riverlodge on Mar 15, 2016 12:28:22 GMT
But to not understand why other people like such a influential and important band is, in itself, mystifying. That would be Savages no?
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Post by fiveuke on Mar 15, 2016 12:30:56 GMT
You should all attend my festival. Make time to catch Derivative in the Cyclical Demystification teepee.
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Post by ethereal on Mar 15, 2016 13:24:31 GMT
I come from a family of Beatles non-lovers, I grew up on Beach Boys, Simon and Garfunkel and Kinks among others. I don't hate the Beatles and I get why they were so popular back at the dawn of time I just think there's been better since. Such is the nature of progress. I'm not one for nostalgia though, maybe when I'm older I'll get it.
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Post by born in the fifties on Mar 15, 2016 14:19:44 GMT
But....i DO find their reverence mystifying! I dont like them. I cant get my head round their significance in british music. ITs all.......well....mystifying! I don't think you do have to like them, but their significance should be easy enough to understand by listening to some of what came immediately before the Beatles, which I suspect many on this forum may find a bit heavy-going. Before the release of Please, Please Me (May 1963), the previous 6 albums to top the UK albums chart were : The Best of Ball, Barber & Bilk Out of the Shadows Original soundtrack West Side Story On Stage with the George Mitchell Minstrels The Black and White Minstrel Show Summer Holiday The next 6 albums to top the UK albums chart, and which take us up to April 1965, were : Please Please Me With the Beatles The Rolling Stones A Hard Day's Night Beatles for Sale The Rolling Stones No. 2 I thought The Beatles were okay, but it was always The Rolling Stones for me, followed by The Searchers, The Kinks, The Who, The Yardbirds and Manfred Mann. And before anyone is too rude about The Black and White Minstrels, it was my mother's favorite TV show, so I got to watch it every Saturday night. Fortunately, I also got to watch Ready Steady Go! on Friday evenings which had the more permanent effect on me.
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Post by Moz on Mar 15, 2016 14:58:43 GMT
but.....could you argue that it only the reason of 'right place, right time' that the beatles are assumed to be revolutionary, and that if it wernt them, someone else would have been around to be 'revolutionary'?
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Post by ethereal on Mar 15, 2016 15:46:22 GMT
but.....could you argue that it only the reason of 'right place, right time' that the beatles are assumed to be revolutionary, and that if it wernt them, someone else would have been around to be 'revolutionary'? Have you read Outliers: The Story of Success by Malcolm Gladwell? Most successes have an element of right place right time. IIRC he had some interesting observations about the Beatles and their time in Berlin.
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Post by fiveuke on Mar 15, 2016 16:26:32 GMT
I'm not one for nostalgia though, maybe when I'm older I'll get it. In the same way, one day I'll probably forget the impertinence of youth
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Post by Raffles on Mar 15, 2016 21:34:47 GMT
Ball, Barber & Bilk for Sunday lunch!
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Post by kerry1 on Mar 15, 2016 22:46:45 GMT
I'm not one for nostalgia though, maybe when I'm older I'll get it. In the same way, one day I'll probably forget the impertinence of youth You 'old 'im, I'll fump 'im.
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Post by wayne77 on Mar 16, 2016 7:27:54 GMT
I so wish I grew up in the late sixties. Everything seemed new and exciting. I can't imagine what it would have been like listening to The Doors debut album as and when it came out or Dylan first releasing Like a Rolling Stone. That would have been cool.
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Post by Raffles on Mar 16, 2016 9:58:17 GMT
I so wish I grew up in the late sixties. Everything seemed new and exciting. I can't imagine what it would have been like listening to The Doors debut album as and when it came out or Dylan first releasing Like a Rolling Stone. That would have been cool.
Yeh but if you have grown up in the UK in the 60's, unless you were incredibly lucky to be in the right bohemian environment, in all likelihood, you would never had got to hear any of this stuff at the time because the media was swamped with shit like Engelbert Humperdink and Des O'Connor.
I do (just) remember the 60's and it was awful, because there were no personal listening devises- you got to hear whatever your elders happened to tune in to on the Radiogram.
It was only by the mid seventies when cheap personal transistor radios and the like finally became affordable that it was possible to listen to your own thing; so for me, punk/ new wave was the breakthrough (listened to through a tiny earpiece on a radio signal that sounds like it was swamped by a whistling wind) , and only after that, did I start discovering that there was all this cool stuff released a decade earlier, but kept from us by the establishment.
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Post by fiveuke on Mar 16, 2016 11:24:16 GMT
Y'all reminding me of the ol' fave:
"Just lying in the bar with my drip feed on, talking to my girlfriend, waiting for something to happen. I wish it was the sixties, I wish I could be happy, I wish, I wish, I wish that something would happen..."
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Post by born in the fifties on Mar 16, 2016 12:26:52 GMT
I so wish I grew up in the late sixties. Everything seemed new and exciting. I can't imagine what it would have been like listening to The Doors debut album as and when it came out or Dylan first releasing Like a Rolling Stone. That would have been cool.
Yeh but if you have grown up in the UK in the 60's, unless you were incredibly lucky to be in the right bohemian environment, in all likelihood, you would never had got to hear any of this stuff at the time because the media was swamped with shit like Engelbert Humperdink and Des O'Connor.
I do (just) remember the 60's and it was awful, because there were no personal listening devises- you got to hear whatever your elders happened to tune in to on the Radiogram.
It was only by the mid seventies when cheap personal transistor radios and the like finally became affordable that it was possible to listen to your own thing; so for me, punk/ new wave was the breakthrough (listened to through a tiny earpiece on a radio signal that sounds like it was swamped by a whistling wind) , and only after that, did I start discovering that there was all this cool stuff released a decade earlier, but kept from us by the establishment. No, I'm not having this. The sixties weren't awful; I'm not sure I grew up in a 'bohemian' environment, and yes, I did see Englebert Humperdinck live in the 60's, because sometimes you had to wade through the shit to get to the good stuff. I saw the first date on the tour, when Hendrix's guitar caught fire. The Walker Brothers may well have been fabulous, but you could hear nothing of them over the screams for John and Scott. And sometimes it was all good stuff, without the shit This was the first time I saw Pink Floyd. For most of it, Syd Barrett sat on the apron of the stage. The Who didn't play, so we got the wonderful Traffic instead. And you obviously hadn't discovered the joy of reel-to-reel tape recorders, although from memory recording off the radio did involve a fairly low-tech route of positioning the deck's microphone up against the radio. In particular, John Peel's show was religiously recorded every Sunday afternoon, and then endlessly replayed. Still better get back to listening to Ball, Barber & Bilk or work, one of the two anyway!
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Post by wayne77 on Mar 16, 2016 13:01:02 GMT
See!!! Thats what I would have been doing!!!!!! Well jel as my daughter would say.
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Post by Raffles on Mar 16, 2016 13:28:25 GMT
Y'all reminding me of the ol' fave: "Just lying in the bar with my drip feed on, talking to my girlfriend, waiting for something to happen. I wish it was the sixties, I wish I could be happy, I wish, I wish, I wish that something would happen..."Three simultaneous though unrelated Radiohead references running on the forum today. Must be something in the air...
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Post by Raffles on Mar 16, 2016 13:35:20 GMT
PS:
I didn't say the 60's were shit. I said the experience of the sixties for those of us too young to be exposed to anything beyond our parents' and the establishment's taste gates was shit. And therefore all the more frustrating in hindsight when we realised what we'd missed out on.
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Post by fiveuke on Mar 16, 2016 14:09:54 GMT
When I was a child I was bewildered to discover that my parents were working hard to get a deposit for a house in the 60s, and not hanging out at Haight Ashbury or the Isle of Wight toking with Jimmy. Then again, I also couldn't understand why my dad didn't buy an Aston Martin Lagonda like the one in my Top Trumps, when it was clearly more interesting than a Volvo 144 (and measurably a better card).
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Post by mrsimonw on Mar 16, 2016 14:11:51 GMT
I so wish I grew up in the late sixties. I thought you did? Growing up in the early 90s was pretty great though, wasn't it, Grunge, Britpop, Acid house, Rave, Techno etc
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Post by wayne77 on Mar 16, 2016 15:01:45 GMT
I so wish I grew up in the late sixties. I thought you did? Growing up in the early 90s was pretty great though, wasn't it, Grunge, Britpop, Acid house, Rave, Techno etc Yep can't argue with that. 1991-1994 had some great music.
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Post by Moz on Mar 16, 2016 15:32:03 GMT
AND....1994-1999. Britpop. Which, in hindsight, may be looked at as a little naff. But my god, there were some GREAT tunes.
And with that, i think we have hijacked the obituaries thread enough.....
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Post by wayne77 on Mar 16, 2016 16:11:46 GMT
AND....1994-1999. Britpop. Which, in hindsight, may be looked at as a little naff. But my god, there were some GREAT tunes. And with that, i think we have hijacked the obituaries thread enough..... Sorry boss, our bad
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Post by fiveuke on Mar 16, 2016 17:09:37 GMT
Sorrrrry... it's the death of the Obits.
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Post by maddix85 on Mar 24, 2016 7:27:27 GMT
no one has mentioned phife dawg here are you all hip hop philistines or something? i'd always hoped to be able to see atcq live someday but sadly that will now never happen.
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Post by Moz on Mar 24, 2016 10:44:51 GMT
yeah. That is quite sad. So young!
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