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Post by Moz on May 8, 2015 11:38:52 GMT
It would be FASCINATING if it was for a party i could support.
Although.....i think im in shock or something. I feel....remarkably upbeat. Its disappointing, but thats democracy. And now, maybe, The Labour party & Lib Dems, after a lot of soul searching, might come up with someone/something to make them 'credible' opposition again.
Its all a little like a car crash on a motorway. Its horrible....but i can't stop looking. I thought Ed Milliband ran a good campaign as well......I am also a little sad about Mr Clegg. Despite my issues with his party, i always think Nick Clegg believed he was doing the right thing. He is a decent chap, i think.
How can all the polls before the election be that wrong??
Bloody polls. Coming over here. etc...
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Post by kerry1 on May 8, 2015 13:18:15 GMT
Might these cheer/empower you? Attachments:
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Post by Eddytheviper on May 8, 2015 15:44:42 GMT
i always think Nick Clegg believed he was doing the right thing. He is a decent chap, i think. I actually supported the Lib Dems in the last election and still have a great deal of respect for them. It was actually upsetting to see his resignation speech, it reminded you that actually politicians are human too. I thought he was pretty down to earth and relatable, such the same as Vince Cable IMO, it was a slaughter-fest when I'm not entirely sure if it was just. I'm just so frustrated the loathsome Cameron and the rest of his Etonian friends can now govern with no real checks or balances in Westminster. It's a terrible day for the majority of 'normal' society It's a death bell for the NHS though.. that's what horrifies me most from today's news.
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Post by Moz on Jul 8, 2015 12:10:40 GMT
SO....George Osborne appears to wanna build more roads. SO.....fuck you environment. Die. Die & dissolve into the worthless brown sludge you are.
I am not happy with this.
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Post by Raffles on Jul 8, 2015 12:23:31 GMT
I think the Budget is a side show right now compared with the awful future faced by the people of Greece.
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Post by Moz on Jul 8, 2015 12:39:07 GMT
good point well made. I will now stop getting angry. Thanks Raff. (ESPECIALLY with this announcement of a new national living wage......)
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Post by geof on Jul 8, 2015 12:48:07 GMT
Even Greece situation pales into insignificance compared to what is brewing in China. 2008 recession will be a breeze compared to what will happen if it goes into full meltdown. Been coming for a while unfortunately.
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Post by Moz on Jul 8, 2015 13:05:12 GMT
ok, ok....the world is fucked. Mr Osborne fucking up our small part of the blue/green planet really doesnt matter. I get it. ;p
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Post by Eddytheviper on Jul 8, 2015 13:12:23 GMT
As I said on Facebook, Osbourne is a berk.
With all the hatred I have for him, the living wage addition is a surprising welcome.
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Post by thom on Jul 8, 2015 13:20:50 GMT
Apart from the fact that it's not a living wage. Current calculated level outside London is £7.85, and that includes in work tax credits. All he's done is raise minimum wage a bit, calling it a Living Wage doesn't make it one.
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Post by Eddytheviper on Jul 8, 2015 13:26:27 GMT
Apart from the fact that it's not a living wage. Current calculated level outside London is £7.85, and that includes in work tax credits. All he's done is raise minimum wage a bit, calling it a Living Wage doesn't make it one. Very good point. I can go back to hating Osbourne then. What a cunt.
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Post by thom on Jul 8, 2015 13:30:25 GMT
Apart from the fact that it's not a living wage. Current calculated level outside London is £7.85, and that includes in work tax credits. All he's done is raise minimum wage a bit, calling it a Living Wage doesn't make it one. Actually I'm wrong, all he's done is raise the minimum wage a bit and cut tax credits a lot.
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Jul 8, 2015 16:51:21 GMT
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Post by ethereal on Jul 8, 2015 16:51:21 GMT
This works well for me, £7.20 ph means a pay rise of about 2pc, I don't qualify for any benefits atm anyway and I'm under the threshold for increases in my rent, due to my wage, in my council flat. (well housing association). Not sure on new roads, I don't drive, but it would be nice if they fix the potholes, I went through 4 bicycle wheels last year on a mountain bike and the most off-road I go is footpaths. A local issue not central government.
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Post by kerry1 on Jul 8, 2015 22:15:13 GMT
Maintenence grants gone. FFS. When the privileged leave university, their contacts and social 'acceptability' will mean a faster rise - so a loan for the less well-off will prevent so many talented young people from studying. Which was evidently the plan. I hope all the middle & lower income ********* who voted for them are sorry now, it's their kids who will lose out. Not to mention society as a whole. This is perhaps the most depressing budget I have lived through.
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Jul 8, 2015 23:10:15 GMT
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Post by pewin on Jul 8, 2015 23:10:15 GMT
At least we aren't foxes about to be hunted down by hungry Tories!
You have to admire David Cameron's attempt to get some good PR- ie pretending he's reduced child poverty by a vast amount by changing the limits of 'poverty' rather than offering support. And the maîntenence loan issue disgusts me- as a recent graduate it's bad enough to have had to pay triple what people one year older than me paid for university, as well as having those loans sold off to the highest bidder, let alone now knowing that the next generation will suffer even worse by recieving zero grants regardless of background!
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Post by Moz on Sept 14, 2015 11:43:13 GMT
SO.....Jeremy Corbyn is the new Labour leader. Now.....i didnt vote in this ballot (having never voted for Labour before....which makes me sound like a tory, but ive never voted for them either....). I thought my 'choice would have been Yvette Cooper. But.....i so torn. On one hand, he was the ONLY person who stated we should get rid of Trident (a MAJOR thing in my eyes...). And, it appears, his nomination has got LOTS of people reignited by politics (and, it seems, a lot of the yoof too). This can only be a good thing. His other policies are, in general, in my way of thinking too. Which is nice.
However......he is SO softly spoken. How is he gonna cope with the dirtyness of parliment? The mud slinging (perhaps from his own party..). Also, the 'right wing' press have a hate figure who they will crush. If you thought some of the shameful reports about 'Red Ed' were bad, imagine the reports for someone who's to the left of Ed Milliband?!? ALSO....he as appointed John McDonnell as shadow chancellor. A man who has said the IRA should be honoured for their 'bravery & sacrifice'........
I guess....at least Labour are now more 'Labour' and less photocopied Tory with a red tie.....and it will be VERY interesting to see how things develop these next few years......I just.....dunno.....
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Post by Raffles on Sept 14, 2015 12:05:41 GMT
I made a new years resolution a couple of years back to try to stop commenting on politics on forums because my centre-left moderate views always seem to come across as hopelessly right wing in the context of a media where anyone without "right-on" left wing views is scared to put their head above the parapet.
But it's soooo tempting......
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Post by Moz on Sept 14, 2015 12:14:38 GMT
do it. you are safe here.
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Post by born in the fifties on Sept 14, 2015 14:38:50 GMT
I thought my 'choice would have been Yvette Cooper. I think I she would have been my choice as well, particularly as our Prime Minister seems to have a problem with women and she would have unsettled him far more than I suspect JC will. However I'm very happy to be proved wrong on this, and on the amount of influence unreconstructed Trades Union leaders will have on him. Anyway, interesting times!
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Post by Moz on Feb 29, 2016 15:00:25 GMT
Its only February 29th, and already i am SO fed up with the EU referendum. For many reasons. The fact that im on the same 'side' as diddy David Cameron and giddy George Osbourne. The fact that we now have a procession of pro british exit supporters (i will not say Brexit. It is a silly term) spouting their borderline xenophobic rants about a bygone age of the 'great british empire' etc. The doom laden way the stay in campaign has been run thus far. etc. etc.
I actually dont care about most of the arguements (e.g. i think we would be better, financially, in the EU than out, but im sure the UK would manage fine. I dont find immigration to be a problem. etc.), I just like to be part of europe. A group of countries working for the greater good, rather than seperatist reasons. I like that. I dont believe we are 'less british' in europe. Are you really saying the french/german/spanish etc do not feel their nationalistic feelings whilst being in europe? Bollocks.
My rant is, at the moment, over.
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Post by ethereal on Feb 29, 2016 18:10:11 GMT
We do a lot of business with Germany where I work (we're the UK service agent of a German manufacturer), from what we can work out, leaving or staying will make little difference to us, maybe a bit more red tape and fees. It would be nice if the campaigners would set things out straight. "This is what will happen if we stay" vs "This is what will happen if we leave" not all the patriotic / harmonic rhetoric. That's politics I guess, all bullshit and no useful answers. I would rather stay in the EU. What I'd really like to know is, if we left, would we need visas to visit Europe?
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Post by Moz on Mar 1, 2016 16:06:21 GMT
We do a lot of business with Germany where I work (we're the UK service agent of a German manufacturer), from what we can work out, leaving or staying will make little difference to us, maybe a bit more red tape and fees. It would be nice if the campaigners would set things out straight. "This is what will happen if we stay" vs "This is what will happen if we leave" not all the patriotic / harmonic rhetoric. That's politics I guess, all bullshit and no useful answers. I would rather stay in the EU. What I'd really like to know is, if we left, would we need visas to visit Europe? Your right. There is NEVER any clear answer (on either side). BUT......you should check out Full Facts. fullfact.org/about/They are non partisan, and check the facts on loads of speeches and whats said in Prime Ministers Questions etc.....
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Mar 1, 2016 17:47:29 GMT
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Post by ethereal on Mar 1, 2016 17:47:29 GMT
Thanks Moz, at least it answers a few questions. I will keep watching for the "what happens if we leave" side of the facts.
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Post by Raffles on Mar 2, 2016 10:53:40 GMT
Its only February 29th, and already i am SO fed up with the EU referendum. For many reasons. The fact that im on the same 'side' as diddy David Cameron and giddy George Osbourne. The fact that we now have a procession of pro british exit supporters (i will not say Brexit. It is a silly term) spouting their borderline xenophobic rants about a bygone age of the 'great british empire' etc. The doom laden way the stay in campaign has been run thus far. etc. etc. I actually dont care about most of the arguements (e.g. i think we would be better, financially, in the EU than out, but im sure the UK would manage fine. I dont find immigration to be a problem. etc.), I just like to be part of europe. A group of countries working for the greater good, rather than seperatist reasons. I like that. I dont believe we are 'less british' in europe. Are you really saying the french/german/spanish etc do not feel their nationalistic feelings whilst being in europe? Bollocks. My rant is, at the moment, over. I like your rant, Moz
You raise an important point. Everyone talks about whether Britain would be better in or out. Noone is asking the more important question: would Europe be better with or without Britain in? And surely, the answer to this is a big fat yes! Let's stop think selfishly about the marginal arguments about our own unpredictable economic wellbeing and focus on how much we can help the wonderful place that is Europe with its many challenges.
I find myself increasingly thinking of myself as a European before a Brit. European needs Britain. Brexit (there- I said it!) is a petty, selfish proposition.
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Post by daemon on Mar 2, 2016 20:19:58 GMT
What scares me about Britain leaving Europe (I also find that portmanteau word incredibly irritating) is that it will become an even more pro-business, anti-people country than it already is. London is a horrible financial machine that happily launders money for Russian oligarchs and middle-eastern human rights abusers, not caring in the least for the fact this flood of money into the UK has turned it into an unsustainably expensive country where ordinary people are being priced out of the big cities they need to live in to work.
Surely without the EU to keep the conservatives in check, over the next nine years - which lets face it is the minimum time they're going to be in power for - they can finally sell us all into slavery and get rid of the deficit!
Well, that's one point of view anyway.
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