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Post by oapdub on Jul 6, 2021 12:42:20 GMT
Anyone else feeling a bit conflicted right now?
On the one hand live music is 90% of my social life and the thing that gets my heart pumping, to say I'm desperate to get back in the saddle is an understatement. In addition, it is clear that anyone who's livelihood relies on live music (not least the bands!), is in a real hole right now so unlocking live music will be a huge bonus for them.
But on the other hand, I'm hugely dubious of the justification for 'freedom day' and fear that we're setting ourselves up for a massive fall.
I guess all we can do is strap in and enjoy the ride while we can?
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Post by Moz on Jul 6, 2021 13:21:24 GMT
I completely concur. IT doesnt help that ALL the past deadlines this govt had has resulted in a lockdown, some of which were too late so were much longer with more loss of life. Lessons are never learnt. Its fucking annoying!
Yet.....Im missing gigs. Being able to smell my fellow humans. A beer in hand. Swaying to the indiest of hits played live.
I fear another late, long lockdown in autumn. Is it worth it for gig fun? I dunno. I think, maybe, as hard as it will be, waiting a few weeks until dropping restrictions seemed sensible to me. Yet, I will goto gigs. And feel guilty doing so.
Arses.
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Post by vamboozle on Jul 6, 2021 14:40:23 GMT
Are we desperate to get back into a sweaty room listening to live music? Yup
Does the very thought of it fill us with anxiety and dread? Yup.
Is it worth the risk to us and others? Really not sure yet.
We’re already looking at up coming gigs with the question “how much do we really want to see “x” and does the pleasure outweigh the perceived risk?” - which doesn’t start it off on the best footing.
Personally I’m torn because in theory the vulnerable (that’s us old folk etc) are now double vaccinated and they’re working down the list to you young types. We’re not going to get more vaccinated (unless they do boosters) so this is as safe as we get for the foreseeable future. Would delaying another 4 weeks make a difference? Dunno maybe? Is it now or next year? Dunno maybe?
Argh don’t know what to do for the best.
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Post by amigo on Jul 6, 2021 14:43:31 GMT
Having the same dilemma, even going to Latitude where everyone has tested 'negative' still makes me wonder what impact it will have.
I've been very well behaved since last March - rarely leave my town, never met people indoors even between lockdowns when it was allowed, had Christmas without visiting family etc.
But having seen everyone else ignore it and do what they want it feels like another lockdown is inevitable, and if its going to happen anyway surely I'm allowed 6 weeks of fun before we're all stuck inside again? If they're going to make me go back to work in the office with no social distancing post 'freedom day' then I'm essentially mixing with the people who have been in pubs etc, so seeing a band isn't THAT bad, is it?
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Post by riverlodge on Jul 7, 2021 10:24:18 GMT
as we all suspected, the 'i' newspaper today tells us that 'total freedom' is the political economic decision of Gove, Sunak, Javid and Johnson.
SAGE and most of the science community (and apparently the majority of the public) want to see masks worn on - at least - essential services such as transport, supermarkets, public buildings.
"entertainment" etc is much, much more confused / confusing, but part of me gets the 'if not now, when' argument. but lets not kid ourselves, #Brexshit Wetherspoon and the like were always going to get something for the wodges they have stuffed in to Tory central?
as for me, think I'm going to be as circumspect as most. I can envisage wearing a mask in the Tipi but perhaps not the Garden stage even though that is more for the benefit of others? and I'm less likely to be personally worried (to start) in a theatre full of double vaccinated 50 year olds than I am in a teeny dominated Wet Leg gig in a packed sweaty Portland Arms? unsure how logical or illogical that makes me....
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Post by born in the fifties on Jul 7, 2021 10:28:36 GMT
Are we desperate to get back into a sweaty room listening to live music? Yup Does the very thought of it fill us with anxiety and dread? Yup. Is it worth the risk to us and others? Really not sure yet. We’re already looking at up coming gigs with the question “how much do we really want to see “x” and does the pleasure outweigh the perceived risk?” - which doesn’t start it off on the best footing. Personally I’m torn because in theory the vulnerable (that’s us old folk etc) are now double vaccinated and they’re working down the list to you young types. We’re not going to get more vaccinated (unless they do boosters) so this is as safe as we get for the foreseeable future. Would delaying another 4 weeks make a difference? Dunno maybe? Is it now or next year? Dunno maybe? Argh don’t know what to do for the best. Great summation of the dilemma. So are we going to feel safer at open air stages (e.g. Obelisk, BBC Introducing) to tented (e.g. BBC Music, The Alcove)? And is that another cause to regret that they've removed 2 outdoor stages (Lake, Solas)? Maybe they will have taken the sides off the Alcove to improve air circulation, or maybe even to allow more folk to see the likes of PVA, Sinead O'Brien, Wet Leg and VLURE? Are we going to feel safer as its a test event, so there is at least some health check on entry - even if self-administered lateral flow tests are of dubious value? Are we going to feel safer in the Theatre Tent to BBC Music (seated, silent vs. standing, bouncing, singing; older vs. younger demographic)? Like everyone on here, I'm desperate to get back to live music. I do know I will feel hugely more safe at Latitude than I would do if I was going to Reading/Leeds (not that I would ever consider that!), and I will probably feel a lot safer at Latitude than at either of my 2 favorite venues (The Bullingdon and The Lexington, both c.200 size). Will I be in my preferred location i.e. on the barrier? Probably not. Do I know whether I'm going to be comfortable inside tented stages with people not wearing masks, and looking young enough not to have been double-jabbed? Not really, will have to wait to see what happens at the time. Am I going to continually worry about whether I'm doing the right thing? Absolutely not, no point in going if that was the case. Buying the ticket was the decision made; I'm going to be seeing a shedload of good live music, with many of the bands I've been itching to see for either the first time (e.g. bdrmm, Chemical Brothers, Sinead O'Brien, VLURE) or again (e.g. Dry Cleaning, Shame, Squid, Working Men's Club); I'm going to be seeing some friends that I haven't seen in nearly two years now; I'm even hoping to meet some of you on this forum that I've never met; I'm going to enjoy it. |
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Post by riverlodge on Jul 7, 2021 10:31:03 GMT
Having the same dilemma, even going to Latitude where everyone has tested 'negative' still makes me wonder what impact it will have. I've been very well behaved since last March - rarely leave my town, never met people indoors even between lockdowns when it was allowed, had Christmas without visiting family etc. But having seen everyone else ignore it and do what they want it feels like another lockdown is inevitable, and if its going to happen anyway surely I'm allowed 6 weeks of fun before we're all stuck inside again? If they're going to make me go back to work in the office with no social distancing post 'freedom day' then I'm essentially mixing with the people who have been in pubs etc, so seeing a band isn't THAT bad, is it? Good employers should NOT be writing their H&S policy based solely on what the Govt says we are personally allowed to do. Being in exactly that position myself (part of an Exec determining way forward, and edging towards a hybrid work policy too) there is no way we would force that issue: either for employee relations but much more importantly for duty of care. Bozo might judge it 'fine' to accept a death / serious ill health 'attrition rate' but I assure you those that have duty of care roles can't make the same choice! Or if they do they are putting themselves at risk of serious negligence. |
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Post by born in the fifties on Jul 7, 2021 10:41:00 GMT
Having the same dilemma, even going to Latitude where everyone has tested 'negative' still makes me wonder what impact it will have. I've been very well behaved since last March - rarely leave my town, never met people indoors even between lockdowns when it was allowed, had Christmas without visiting family etc. But having seen everyone else ignore it and do what they want it feels like another lockdown is inevitable, and if its going to happen anyway surely I'm allowed 6 weeks of fun before we're all stuck inside again? If they're going to make me go back to work in the office with no social distancing post 'freedom day' then I'm essentially mixing with the people who have been in pubs etc, so seeing a band isn't THAT bad, is it? Good employers should NOT be writing their H&S policy based solely on what the Govt says we are personally allowed to do. Being in exactly that position myself (part of an Exec determining way forward, and edging towards a hybrid work policy too) there is no way we would force that issue: either for employee relations but much more importantly for duty of care. Bozo might judge it 'fine' to accept a death / serious ill health 'attrition rate' but I assure you those that have duty of care roles can't make the same choice! Or if they do they are putting themselves at risk of serious negligence. At no point in this pandemic has the government shown any real inkling that they understand what 'duty of care' means; not really surprising though given the lack of a moral compass from the top. |
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Post by amigo on Jul 7, 2021 11:27:14 GMT
Having the same dilemma, even going to Latitude where everyone has tested 'negative' still makes me wonder what impact it will have. I've been very well behaved since last March - rarely leave my town, never met people indoors even between lockdowns when it was allowed, had Christmas without visiting family etc. But having seen everyone else ignore it and do what they want it feels like another lockdown is inevitable, and if its going to happen anyway surely I'm allowed 6 weeks of fun before we're all stuck inside again? If they're going to make me go back to work in the office with no social distancing post 'freedom day' then I'm essentially mixing with the people who have been in pubs etc, so seeing a band isn't THAT bad, is it? Good employers should NOT be writing their H&S policy based solely on what the Govt says we are personally allowed to do. Being in exactly that position myself (part of an Exec determining way forward, and edging towards a hybrid work policy too) there is no way we would force that issue: either for employee relations but much more importantly for duty of care. Bozo might judge it 'fine' to accept a death / serious ill health 'attrition rate' but I assure you those that have duty of care roles can't make the same choice! Or if they do they are putting themselves at risk of serious negligence. That will be a debate that will rage on until someone lawyers up and the first case of negligence is proven and sets precedent for the rest. To be perfectly honest my employers are being fairly reasonable, the long term plan is to only work in the office for part of the week to reduce numbers and we will still effectively follow social distancing etc as well with a large lean on the 'personal choice' arguments re: masks. I see a lot of employment law day to day, and the big ones for the future will be claims for not providing a safe workplace post-covid - there's already firms out there planning the 'did you get covid at work and it wasn't your fault?' campaigns as we speak. It will be the next PPI. The tribunal cases over vaccine status will follow shortly after as well I expect, I'm already hearing tale of people being let go for refusing the vaccine for whatever reason they have - which has unfair dismissal written all over it. |
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Post by riverlodge on Jul 7, 2021 11:38:39 GMT
@paul please can we rename this thread 'old / quasi old farts worry about a lot of stuff'?
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Post by oapdub on Jul 7, 2021 12:20:51 GMT
@paul please can we rename this thread 'old / quasi old farts worry about a lot of stuff'? Ha - I've added a little suffix! |
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Post by vamboozle on Jul 7, 2021 13:36:22 GMT
@paul please can we rename this thread 'old / quasi old farts worry about a lot of stuff'? Lol 😂 I’ll get me bath chair and tartan rug… |
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Post by riverlodge on Jul 7, 2021 14:24:33 GMT
@paul please can we rename this thread 'old / quasi old farts worry about a lot of stuff'? Lol 😂 I’ll get me bath chair and tartan rug… Just don't park it in the middle of the Scary tent after dark eh? |
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Post by oapdub on Jul 7, 2021 15:27:01 GMT
Lol 😂 I’ll get me bath chair and tartan rug… Just don't park it in the middle of the Scary tent after dark eh? Or on the slope at green man. |
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Post by vamboozle on Jul 7, 2021 16:05:41 GMT
Just don't park it in the middle of the Scary tent after dark eh? Or on the slope at green man. What if I put fairy lights on it and get Mrs V to push me through to the front? (fairly sure that’s what you do based on past experience) |
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Post by riverlodge on Jul 7, 2021 16:15:42 GMT
Or on the slope at green man. What if I put fairy lights on it and get Mrs V to push me through to the front? (fairly sure that’s what you do based on past experience) I'd make a bigger effort, and get the wheel adaptations in this? |
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